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maxine101
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« on: February 26, 2009, 05:18:03 PM » |
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Ive had Rosie about 9 months now and I'm very proud that her feathers are all growing back, Its been a lot of hard work and research and many thanks to this site. Last week my friends 6 month old Parrot flew out of the front door as her son answered it, as you can imagine half the village were out looking for her, the next day she was found on the roof opposite my house, I think she had heard my Parrot chattering away in her aviary, I left her in there for that reason, normally she would spend most of her time in the house. So now that Rosie's flight feathers are growing back I'm very very concerned about her flying away as I give her freedom most of the day, she even has a perch in the back garden where she will happily sit with our dog and cat for hours! Its not so bad at this time of year as the doors are shut but in the summer when all the doors and windows are open it going to be terrible and I cant shut her in her cage for hours on end, this would surely make her miserable after having so much freedom, as well as that I would miss her company if she has to be shut in a cage for the majority of the day Ive been reading about wing clipping and I don't really understand why people don't agree with it, I would be grateful if someone could enlighten me on this subject.  |
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dmd2106
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« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2009, 07:32:10 PM » |
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well, what question ? I knon it is a subjective view but for me birds have wings and fly & dogs have legs and walk would you cut a dogs leg because you didn't want to take it for a walk ? so for me I don't clip but contol the area where my bird is....
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billysprout
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« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2009, 08:29:47 PM » |
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Wing clipping involves trimming a few feathers not cutting it off. They do grow back. It is designed to stop the bird gaining flight, in your situation i wouldnt recommend it though as gusts of wind can easily take them, if i were you i would use a harness for outside and make sure the windows and doors are shut when shes inside and loose.
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Debbie, Bella, Bellino and Chocko
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maxine101
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« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2009, 11:27:01 PM » |
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But it is impossible to keep all doors and windows shut in the summer in a busy house, I don't understand how its cruel to trim her feathers to keep her out of danger, Most parrots don't even get out of a cage let alone fly so why is it a problem to give her lots of freedom in the house and garden but clip her feathers so she is unable to fly into danger. If I don't trim her feathers then she will be confined to a cage most of the day and unable to fly anyway.
I don't want to fasten her on her stand as I'm worried that she could harm herself on a harness by falling off or tangling etc.
Yes my dogs have legs to walk but they cant get over the garden wall and fly into danger.
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billysprout
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« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2009, 12:26:41 AM » |
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Its not cruel to trim their feathers, im not anti trimming, each to their own, my concern for you is that if she is loose all it takes is for a gust of wind or if you take your eyes off her for a second a predator could get to her. My birds are fully flighted and get plenty of free time but i know they are safe.
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sweeetnlowww
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« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2009, 01:52:26 AM » |
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i have been looking into this subject as well ...i did purchase a harness for safety (clipped or not) for the warmer months, until i decide...i do think it mostly depends on the situation of the owner...personally, i would like to experience 'a bit of both worlds' before making my own final decision...i like a hair cut on occasion too...it does grow back |
when life hands you lemons, break out the tequila and salt.
Nancy, Captain Jack Sparrow, Nellie Bly, Cap'n Crunch, Carlos
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karine
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« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2009, 04:23:20 AM » |
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HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!!!  CAN OF WORMS!!!!! GO AT IT PEOPLE!!! 1, 2, 3 , GO!!!!  Lots of posts on this subject....you might want to read it all and decide for yourself?  Might be safer.... |
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maxine101
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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2009, 02:18:37 PM » |
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Gosh this is a difficult one, I thought yep straight forward get Rosie's wings clipped and that's that.
My back garden is a closed in courtyard type garden with a high fence, I do realise Rosie will be able to flap, but I'm hoping she would not be able to rise above the very high fence round the garden and Its so closed in I hope not to get much of a gust of wind to help lift her!
I always make sure she is safe in the garden I'm with her at all times, even if i pop in for something my English Bull Terrier stays with her just in case of cats!!!!!
She can also have the same amount of freedom in the house as she does now through the summer months when doors and windows are open. Everything considered I still think its the best Idea, unless it can harm her. My worst fear would be for Rosie to fly away or be hurt.
Why cant everything be straight forward, oh yeah its because we have African Greys!
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sweeetnlowww
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« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2009, 02:53:41 PM » |
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wing clipping doesn't hurt them at all...if that's the way you think you should go, then its prolly what you should do, as you know how your household best...i still wouldn't trust her from not being able to fly away when left outside though, even if clipped...a harness could be attached to the outdoor perch, so she can enjoy the outdoors and takes some of the of the worry away...better safe than sorry |
when life hands you lemons, break out the tequila and salt.
Nancy, Captain Jack Sparrow, Nellie Bly, Cap'n Crunch, Carlos
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karine
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« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2009, 11:04:28 PM » |
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You can't HOPE that the wind won't help her fly above the fence.....It will....One day. And your dog won't help either....His nose might be in the bush when the cat comes by.... 1 second is all it needs for catastrophy to happen... If you want your bird outside, she should be in a harness on you at all time or in a outside cage/aviary. That is the safest way. Clipping is more for the doors/windows left open(or opening and closing) inside the house as they are very fast to fly by you!!!  I do clip all my birds. I tried both clipped and unclipped and it is best for my situation to keep them clipped. However I do clip ONLY the first 6 flight feathers as they can still fly small distance but don't fall like a rock that way!!! So I do request that when my vet clip them. Works for us...... |
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ARDNADAM
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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2009, 05:56:32 PM » |
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A bird can fly or be blown about with or without clipped wings. I agree that having a bird outside can be a risky thing to do and having a birds wings clipped can lead an owner into a false sense of security. If a clipped bird does get blown away or manage a short flight away from a safe place it is much more vulnerable to predators like cats or dogs. It is safer to keep it harnessed under supervision or in an Aviary. I have had birds of various kinds and sizes from budgies upward and in 30 years only had one bird escape from the house and that was because my visiting daughter did not realise that our latest puppy had learned to open the back door from the inside and she had left the inner door open. I personally would never clip a birds wings because I dont think it is right, but appreciate that there are other points of view. I have had 5 children and checking on the whereabouts of birds becomes second nature to all in the household as well as keeping tabs on guests. Believe me it can be just as devastating if a guest let a bitch out of the house when it its in season. When you have dogs, birds, children you have a resposibility to care for them and that includes stopping them from escaping. If you cannot care for a bird without stopping it from enjoying the most fun part of its life then dont get a bird. There are plenty of other pets to be had to suit all needs.(for those who were wondering about the one escapee, it was a budgie and we got her back a couple of days later. I considered it my fault and worried myself sick about her but a lot of flyers(excuse pun) later a neighbour spotted her. She like all our birds was very tame and easy to catch.) Oh yes and the business of having windows open in the summer-fit fly screens they cost a lot less than a parrot and they have the added bonus that they keep the fiies out! ARDNADAM or Carolyn if you prefer.  |
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sweeetnlowww
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« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2009, 06:26:42 PM » |
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that is a very good point, carolyn...i do have screens on all my windows, but not my doors...i already have it set up to have them installed this spring...even though cjs is clipped, i don't want to take any chances!
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when life hands you lemons, break out the tequila and salt.
Nancy, Captain Jack Sparrow, Nellie Bly, Cap'n Crunch, Carlos
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Magenta009
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« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2010, 08:07:22 AM » |
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Unfortunately for me - I did not clip my 3 month old baby greys wings properly and she flew off and I have never seen her since. I have put up posters, went to every house in a six block radius, looked in gardens and trees calling her name with absolutely no luck. I am heartbroken as I only had her 1 week. Unfortunately most people would keep her if found in their gardens. Even some of my posters have been torn down. Be thankful if you are one of the lucky ones that got your birds back. I was overcome with guilt as it was getting dark when she flew off and had started raining. I won't make that mistake again.
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kins23
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« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2010, 02:54:01 AM » |
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maxine101.... Their is nothing wrong with clipping your birds wings.I think it is important, that every new baby, learn to fly initially for "self confidense." Once they can fly.... slowly "trim". A GOOD trim, is a bird that can fly well, but cannot fly away one house away!Most people on this site, believe in letting birds be fully flighted!We argue often about this matter! What is GREAT about this site, is we have different opinions and are respected! Nancy
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